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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, assuming that you’re an honest skeptic and are making your comment because you want to learn more about the subject of climate change, we’ll briefly answer your questions:

1. You’re right, Al Gore in his film, “Inconvenient Truth” was not completely accurate, but remember, he was basing his comments on the science at that time. And a year ago, he was still saying, “It’s not too late to save the Polar bears.” Of course we know now that it is too late to save them, because the Arctic sea ice, on which they depend for survival, will soon disappear. This disappearance of the sea ice, predicted in 2002 to take place by 2050, will now occur as early as 2012 or 2013. (This will then coincide with “The Rapture” and “The Great Turning” if you’re into that kind of thing. We’re not.)

2. You’re right again, but you’re referring to weather models, not climate models. Weather is a chaotic system, which makes it difficult to predict with any degree of accuracy for long periods.  Climate models, on the other hand, are developed to predict trends and rely on data from past time periods. Scientists do the best job they can, but it’s hard to make predictions based on data that are really extreme. Carbon dioxide (CO2), for example, is increasing at 14,000 times the rate it ever has. A new method of carbon-dating marine shells (rather than ice cores) has recently been developed and the findings are that our world is “significantly higher in atmospheric carbon dioxide than at any time in the past 2.1 million years.” 

3. You’re right again. There are areas on our planet that have become cooler, especially those with increased cloud cover and rainfall (You could blame chemtrails for this, but we’re not into that kind of thing either). John Holdren, chief science advisor to President Obama, calls what’s happening “global climatic disruption.” 

The key area to watch is the Arctic, the white hat on the top of our world that has protected us from the heat of the sun and given us 10 thousand years of pretty good weather – enough for us to develop what we like to refer to as “civilization.” And in the Arctic, it’s getting hot. Last October, NOAA announced that autumn air temperatures in the region were at a record 5ºC (9ºF) above average. That means the sea ice is melting faster, the melting of Greenland’s glaciers is speeding up, and worst of all, the melting permafrost will begin releasing many stored gigatonnes of frozen methane (CH4), more than 20 times as potent as CO2. Just Google “methane clathrates.” Or watch the video at this link: http://meatthefacts.org/wp/tag/greenhouse-gas/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, assuming that you’re an honest skeptic and are making your comment because you want to learn more about the subject of climate change, we’ll briefly answer your questions:</p>
<p>1. You’re right, Al Gore in his film, “Inconvenient Truth” was not completely accurate, but remember, he was basing his comments on the science at that time. And a year ago, he was still saying, “It’s not too late to save the Polar bears.” Of course we know now that it is too late to save them, because the Arctic sea ice, on which they depend for survival, will soon disappear. This disappearance of the sea ice, predicted in 2002 to take place by 2050, will now occur as early as 2012 or 2013. (This will then coincide with “The Rapture” and “The Great Turning” if you’re into that kind of thing. We’re not.)</p>
<p>2. You’re right again, but you’re referring to weather models, not climate models. Weather is a chaotic system, which makes it difficult to predict with any degree of accuracy for long periods.  Climate models, on the other hand, are developed to predict trends and rely on data from past time periods. Scientists do the best job they can, but it’s hard to make predictions based on data that are really extreme. Carbon dioxide (CO2), for example, is increasing at 14,000 times the rate it ever has. A new method of carbon-dating marine shells (rather than ice cores) has recently been developed and the findings are that our world is “significantly higher in atmospheric carbon dioxide than at any time in the past 2.1 million years.” </p>
<p>3. You’re right again. There are areas on our planet that have become cooler, especially those with increased cloud cover and rainfall (You could blame chemtrails for this, but we’re not into that kind of thing either). John Holdren, chief science advisor to President Obama, calls what’s happening “global climatic disruption.” </p>
<p>The key area to watch is the Arctic, the white hat on the top of our world that has protected us from the heat of the sun and given us 10 thousand years of pretty good weather – enough for us to develop what we like to refer to as “civilization.” And in the Arctic, it’s getting hot. Last October, NOAA announced that autumn air temperatures in the region were at a record 5ºC (9ºF) above average. That means the sea ice is melting faster, the melting of Greenland’s glaciers is speeding up, and worst of all, the melting permafrost will begin releasing many stored gigatonnes of frozen methane (CH4), more than 20 times as potent as CO2. Just Google “methane clathrates.” Or watch the video at this link: <a href="http://meatthefacts.org/wp/tag/greenhouse-gas/" rel="nofollow">http://meatthefacts.org/wp/tag/greenhouse-gas/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the reasons listed here explain why I&#039;m a skeptic. Here are the three reasons:

1. Many of Al Gore&#039;s claims from his flick are sloppy, exaggerations, or outright lies, and nobody in the environmental movement has done anything to account for those, including Al himself.

2. None of the weather models accurately predict our current weather when you plug in conditions from years ago. If they can&#039;t do that, we don&#039;t understand weather.

3. None of the weather models have predicted the decline in mean surface temperature over the past decade. If we continue to pump out CO2 in increasing amounts in the last 10 years, why the heck is the temperature dropping?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the reasons listed here explain why I&#8217;m a skeptic. Here are the three reasons:</p>
<p>1. Many of Al Gore&#8217;s claims from his flick are sloppy, exaggerations, or outright lies, and nobody in the environmental movement has done anything to account for those, including Al himself.</p>
<p>2. None of the weather models accurately predict our current weather when you plug in conditions from years ago. If they can&#8217;t do that, we don&#8217;t understand weather.</p>
<p>3. None of the weather models have predicted the decline in mean surface temperature over the past decade. If we continue to pump out CO2 in increasing amounts in the last 10 years, why the heck is the temperature dropping?</p>
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